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PostPosted: Dec Fri 03, 2004 1:12 am 
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Brian,

I hate all of this and have been handed my head more often than not at the hands of those attacking my friends.

I've been miss represented as a minimum. BTW, Christ called the Pharisees a brood of vipers, because of their position on the law of Moses. It's kinda like the "it's just business" quote I've heard to often from the PRO officials in person and on the phone. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck. If Christ had no problem calling folks out, then why should I not use His example? If this is the way we do business in this country, then God help all of us.

This I can say, in the years I've known Tony, he has never done business that way. From his reputation with the racers, I'd say that's been his way his whole life. Never met a more stand up guy.

All I've asked is for those involved to show me their willingness to go the extra mile. They talk it, but never walk it. Tell me what I'm suppose to perceive?

Mark

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I am just an outsider getting my own perceptions, you obviously, are much closer to the situation and deserve to draw your own conclusions. I wasn't questioning your love nor faith, just making an observation like you. nice talking to you


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Brian...sorry, I replyed on another thread...I could type all night here...the first two years I watched.....This year I finally said enough...if you are just an outsider(not to insult you) I need not explain I am much more involved with this than you want to know....and again I need not explain myself...
.......as I have brought my Attorney up to speed with this situation.....another reason why I won't discuss it in lenght with anyone..
...........again don't take it as a personal screw you...'cause your not the reason....Thanks for stoppin by :wink:

Jimmy, one last try. my last name is Wagner, Brian Wagner. now the answers???[/quote]

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Been in the middle of it for to many years. Truth is often the first casualty in any long running dispute. This one has been going on since the fall of 2001.

I'm also big enough to realize there's enough blame to go around for all of the parties involved. What has me hacked off is I feel like I was used and feed to the dogs when they where done. I came to help as a man of God to work through issues that I said I would never get involved in again after the whole NMCA name thing in 2004 and was feed to the lions like the Christians in Rome.

After Memphis, I spoke with Tony and gave him my word that Charlie was being upright in his willingness to work through the scheduling issues. Was Charlie... from what I hear it does not appear to be so, or was it all George Case of Maple Groves fault? The waters are very muddied.

This is not about vengeance either. God is my vindicator. If they did nothing wrong, then they have nothing to worry about. If they did, well the scripture is pretty black and white about how God dealt with those who attack His servants. I remember the story of Elisha and how some young men where taunting him. God sent two bears to maul the young men. :shock: Do I wish that on anybody, no. Does God wack people, oh yea.

Things are not always what they appear to be, especially when human beings are involved.

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Jimmy, its close to 1:30 and still no answer. I never asked you how much more involved you were/are. And you could have simply said you could not answer because of your attorney, instead you called me a mudslinger and insinuated that if I told you my name you would answer the questions. Oh well, I'm tired and have to work tomorrow. Good night, maybe we can continue this tomorrow evening...
btw: I had forgot to say "HI" to all. I'm new to posting, only observed in the past.


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The posts from both the NSCA amd PRO boards have disappeared... could there be a truce in the offing??

Interesting...

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Mark, I noticed that as well....perhaps a truce is occuring? We will have to wait and see. However, in order for them to reach the racers attending PRI in time, they should make an announcement soon I would think.....
Calm at PRI would be nice.....


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Calm would be nice, I can deal with calm.

I hear there have been several calls between the org's today... oeps

I will say this much, if they want to post an official apology to me on this board signed by Charlie with an account he opened, I'll never say another word about it. I will then print out the entire discussion for my records.

Breaking...

Just off the phone with Jimmy. He wanted me to post the following. If they will make a written apology to Tony per his (Jimmy's) email, he'll do the same as me and we will both be out of this issue.

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Preacher Man wrote:
Hey Monty, no need to go to Hell... when there's a free ticket to go to Heaven... :king:


But I wanna go to hell... All my friends are down there waiting for me :shock: I just wanna see Savanna one more time :D


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I hear it's really bad down there... heaven is much mo better... *head*

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Monty.....turn on your stove....when it gets red...hold your hand on it for three seconds....Than think about the pain.....for eternity :oops:

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Monty, we know you don't mean it.. Stop trying to push buttons....

Monty Mikho wrote:
Preacher Man wrote:
Hey Monty, no need to go to Hell... when there's a free ticket to go to Heaven... :king:


But I wanna go to hell... All my friends are down there waiting for me :shock: I just wanna see Savanna one more time :D

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bbnova wrote:
Monty, we know you don't mean it.. Stop trying to push buttons....

Monty Mikho wrote:
Preacher Man wrote:
Hey Monty, no need to go to Hell... when there's a free ticket to go to Heaven... :king:


But I wanna go to hell... All my friends are down there waiting for me :shock: I just wanna see Savanna one more time :D


Kevin, actually I am not pushing buttons. I have taken the time to understand both sides. Can anyone else say the same?


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PostPosted: Dec Fri 03, 2004 9:58 pm 
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:shock: still up! Was there much nashing of teeth??

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